Otis: 0:00
wait. Hey, welcome to the camera notice show, Uh, another great day in quarantine. And if you're keeping count, I got a good friend of mine that's keeping count and post every day. I think we're on day 23 if you're if you're keeping count. So and if you're like me were also in the protest in the queue. No shave, no haircut until I'm released from the Q. That's what's going down. He heard hearing all and, uh, got a good friend of mine who? Uh, it's not really in the queue, but not She's probably in her own sort of Q. Because I think we all are at this point the von Hankins divine. Thanks for joining us today.
Devon: 1:00
Well, thank you for having me on board. I appreciate it.
Otis: 1:03
Yeah, it's It's ah is gonna be fun because the Von is a character, and that's one of the reasons I wanted to have her on the show. And I mean character in the good sense of good people and solid character about what she's doing and what she wants to do and how she's getting things done. So I'd liketo I'd like to jump in because uh, you're a farm girl living on the big city. Louisville, Kentucky A. Did I say it? Right?
Devon: 1:37
Yes. Louisville. Absolutely. We will let you across the borders now.
Otis: 1:43
I might be able to sneak in as
Devon: 1:45
long as they let you sneak in. I got bounced for you.
Otis: 1:48
I have to think about it. Those they ask me. Ask me without thinking I blow it. What I'm really curious about it is is growing up on the farm like you did and then jumping into the agricultural business. I think from what I hear, it's kind of ah, diversion of what most people believe. So what is it about agriculture that still pulls you back to it?
Devon: 2:13
Well, um, like I said, you know, went out when I was a young girl. We grew up on our family farm. It has now matured into a fully operational certified Angus production farm. And, um, we, sire certified registered Angus so much like here in Kentucky, where you have equine bloodlines. We have the Angus bloodlines, and, um, when I graduated s so I did the whole thing right for a change. Of course, you don't live on a farm and live in the country back in the day and not due for a chat. And we kids, I've got three other siblings, and, you know, we all showed cattle and swan and, you know, sheep and weigh every animal you can think of. Um uh, even showed horses, so we ran the gamut. So it was, you know, it's running, thinking my blood, you know, agriculture. And, of course, we were production farm. Um, when I graduated from high school, believe it or not, I did not know that I could go to college a degree in agriculture, Okay. And when they told me I could go to college and keep doing what I had, you know, grown up doing I was like, There's no way they're gonna let you know that, right? So, you know, I go Toma Zoo, which is universal Missouri Columbia top eggs school, you know, in the nation. And, uh,
Otis: 3:50
well, I Well, I gotta stop. You don't know what I am or agree with. We're gonna have to We're gonna have todo ag school in the nation.
Camden: 4:02
Tom, you're You're a guest, so you'll use water. Those two states, though. Hmm. And you guys have water. We're out here. Farm in the desert. It's hold on.
Devon: 4:15
So it's so true. So true. What? Uh, yeah. So I went to was you and, uh, got a bachelors and just kind of general agriculture and agronomy, which is the study of crop production. And then I went back a few years later and got my master's degree in ag economics with a focus in marketing and finance. And so, for me, you know, it was natural, like that's, you know, farm kid. That's what I knew to do. Now, clearly, what What was unique for me is that there aren't a lot of, um, black owned family farms, and they're very few black farmers. And so, you know, being a black female egg student, you can only imagine that I was a rare, uh, entity, you know, amongst my, um, you know, fellow students, uh, but but there's, you know, that's worked to my advantage, er as well. Um, so it's it's opened a lot of doors for me. Uh,
Otis: 5:19
tell me about that. I'd love to hear that. You know about how that's work to your advantage, because I think that's a really cool thing. to think about until,
Devon: 5:28
Yeah, so you know, my parents, you know, we grill very traditional. Of course. You know, you grow up in rule America. It's typically very traditional, regardless of race. And, uh, still, they never They always taught us about hard work, right? Keeping those clean, keep your head down, do the right thing work hard. So that whole American work ethic. Right? Um and I think that often times when I would engage whether it would be, you know, a job or project or whatever the case may be. Ah, lot of times people were surprised to see me. My name, you know, oftentimes surprises people. Because most people think I'm a guy and, you know, until of course, they hear me on the phone, you know, and and then they see me, and then I'm a female, and then I'm black, and you know, so people were stunned, you know, And, uh, that's often to my advantage, because I've justified every notion that you've had in your head about who you're getting ready to engage. And, um, I think what that does is it disarms people in a good way. Right? Um and then you know, people are usually interested in the journey. So they wanna learn about egg, or they want to figure out, you know, how did you? Because a lot of people, I think that soon that I come from the city because I'm African American, right? And it's just like, no, you know, on the farm, kid, I grew up on the farm in the country, you know, you know, deep in mud and wearing cowboy boots, you know? So, um and I have to tell you, it was it was fun and going off to college. Um, because being an Aggie and African American that we had a lot of African American students who were from the city, and so they didn't know how to take me, Um, as I'm showing up in cowboy boots and, you know, big silver buckles is big, you know it. And I have my strong chin gala hat because we still did shows. And so, God, like, figure out Who is this person, right? Like, where did she come from? You know what I'm looking at them like, Did you know, I think I'm pretty normal. So, um, s so that's you know, Otis I think I revel in my uniqueness, and I I I think that everyone should write were different. And I think the more you embrace your uniqueness, um it allows other people to really be comfortable around you and, um, kind of open up to engage you. So, uh, yeah,
Camden: 8:15
well, I had another question did back into the act side back and said I could stay on this side for a second. I like the idea of the breaks, your uniqueness. I think that's great. Because when you when you look at it from that perspective and you kind of just embrace who you are and just be genuine to yourself that people see that you're being genuine to yourself, that people are more genuine to you and it kind of just starts a whole cycle it it's really great privacy.
Devon: 8:36
Absolutely. I think, um, that is one thing I have learned with all of the work that I do as a strategist is a policy analyst. You know, enterprise, transformation, your project manager, and you're working with teams and dynamic individuals, and you've got people who are really wanting to do good and don't always know how to and you need to, you know, as a leader in that space, you have to come with your authentic self, right? You have to be genuine. Um, and like you said Camden, then that allows other people space to be genuine. You give them a comfort zone, right? To be able to speak their authentic voice where they're comfortable speaking, you know their truth. I think when people are in an environment where they can't speak their truth and the team is dependent upon, um, solving a problem, you know, resolution, right? You're you're never gonna get there. You're never gonna get there. And if you get there, it's gonna be half baked. Right? So, um, I think the more that each of us, particularly as leaders, can move in Earth authentic space and consistently have the courage to kind of speak our truth, whatever that is, right in a way that, you know, doesn't 10 for harm clearly. But I think it enables then and facilitates. You know that that exchange of really moving the ball forward as the collective
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Devon: 11:40
don't know. We fan notice When you said you were involved with Robbie and I'm like, you know what? I'm hitting him up for tickets. He's gonna have to take me to a game.
Otis: 11:51
So what? What I was going going at and what you're talking about is is that being authentic And And also, what I hear is that confidence and who you are, right, And that's a really beautiful place to be. But it's also some people look at. It is arrogance when you are confident in your ability and your confident New York and my reference to rugby is is our scrum ass. Know that that always the little guy, you know, I always make fun of the little guy and the twinkle toes and the pretty hair. And he's like that little that little rat that just got rejected. And he's always on after this and that and but he's doing that because he knows and she causes women. Women also knows what they conduce you and knows their job. They're confident in their job and they're telling people what to do to go and be successful, and that's that's that key piece, I think right there that you're talking about, because when you hold yourself that way, other people are like, Look, a divine man, She's She's okay. She knows what she's doing. She's confident. I'm trusting and believing in her. I'm gonna follow
Devon: 13:07
her. Yeah, I think to what it does. You know it. Two things You have the person who is open to change, right, who sees that someone has achieved, ah, level of confidence and self awareness and authenticity. And they're like, You know what? I want that right. And they come to you and they're like, How did you get that? That's an opportunity to coach, right, to mentor, to train Thio, to develop and build capability in the individual. And then there's also that person that does look atyou and say, Oh, you're being arrogant. What you have to remember in that moment is is that we're all a reflection of one another, right? As as we engage each other when someone thinks of you as arrogant, that's an issue with them. We all know this intellectually right, um and and most people are like, well, it's their problem? Well, yes, it is. But to a certain extent, you know, I had a friend in grand school who always used to say that the one with the greater wisdom bears the responsibility. Okay. And so what that meant to me in those exchanges is is that if that person comes at me with this Oh, you're arrogant. I need to immediately one not take it personally, but to try to figure out what is it, right, that that's the missing link for them. And try to engage them away, to navigate around that right then, to kind of bring them in closer to you so they can begin. Then, you know, explore an opportunity to become more authentic because when people think ill or negative, you and you have shown your best an authentic self. Um, what they're experiencing is, ah, lack of that thing that they see in you, right? And so that they're responding negatively to that. It's not that what you have is a bad thing. It's that they recognize the lack. And so you have two people in those different denials. Both of it recognized and acknowledged a lack one has decided. I want to pursue it and get my own. I want to figure out how they got that the other chooses, right? Not to take action, not to move, but instead, right. Um, kind of reflect back on you, They're their own negativity. But I think you know, Otis, we've talked about leadership a lot. Um, I think as a leader, you you owe that individual T too, like, lead by example. Right to really dig in, not be be courageous enough to confront that that darkness in a good way and not dismissing, you know, not, um just assume that, you know, it's their problem that they need to kind of go on their merry way. I will tell you, um, when I have When I was younger, it took courage. Now you know I'm older. I just don't care. Just you know what? You were in my space, you know? Haven't helped you. Um, but what? What? I have found this. When I have taken the time to do that, these people have become very good friends and probably my most staunch supporters and I of them right there, even stronger relationships than oftentimes the person who was open too I know pursuing their authentic self in a in a positive way, if that makes sense. So, um yeah,
Camden: 16:59
yeah, I was gonna kind of steer kind of throw it all back together with the rugby side of things. I think it's something when you look at just any team environment. Rugby is a great example for it as faras the team working with the collaboration and all that those different aspects go. You have to know your skill set because there are so many different jobs that are going on being hired time to where it's like if you shouldn't be doing that job. But there's somebody better at it than you shouldn't be doing that job. My easy example for it is, uh, high school. I could brought the wrong people. I could break a tackle or to a gay, probably like maybe you not might score a try. When I got to college, I was not a ball runner. My job was to get behind someone else and go protect. Go protect the ball once they got. And as soon as you make that switch, you're much more productive athlete because you know that's your job and you just keep going after to go in after it on men, down to your rat comment for the scrum half. It's something I've loved with spin and chocolates is the hockey podcast. I listen to you, but they talk about guys. Yep, and hockey of dunes that, you know, just the brawlers of brothers and brothers. And then you have the rats Who are the guys? You can't actually fight near us much, but they're just poking their nose into every little thing because they know if they poke their nose in there enough, you might throw a punch of them and then you have to go sit in the box. And it's that's all it is is they know their job. Okay, if I could go piss off their star player and he's gonna mess up, then I did my job today,
Devon: 18:20
right? Right. The instigators, Yeah, on goes make the most phenomenal teams when everyone knows what they're a game is okay. And the moment that you start to move into your be gang people who good teams, when people move into their be game right, they drop back and they let the person who that is there a game space. It's time for them to play. And so people are pivoting in and out right that always maintaining a continuous flow of a game play. And, um, I tell you, when you have the opportunity to be on a team like that and to lead a team like that, those are like dreams come true. You know those you know, those are like pond memories of days gone by. You know, when you when you have that opportunity to work with a team that, like you guys were saying, you know that understand what their role is and they're capable of stepping in and out of the game when it's time, because they know that the goal is to have a continuous a game play.
Camden: 19:32
And I think the kind of tired back to what we're saying about being genuine and knowing yourself. I know I've talked with a few of my buddies. I played with the college level, and I kind of mentioned that time to think, you know, like I kind of made this mental switch and, you know, I coach rugby. Not many of my old buddies do, so I kind of nerd out on it a little bit, but I was kind of talking about this type of thing, and he was like, you know, is honestly the nicest thing ever because I knew you were always behind me and I could run around and do stupid stuff. But you're behind me, ready to protect me if I got tackled. So it was always fine. And so I think that really just illustrates the metaphor perfectly. When you're genuine and you know yourself, you allow someone else to be genuine and I'm making for their best
Otis: 20:14
and then the genuine, genuine and genuine and Ginny genuine word when you when you are, that that's that confidence I was talking about earlier because you have to be often it in yourself, because what what I've seen and what I've experienced over the years is when people lack confidence, they try to do their be game because they're afraid that their role, and this is this is a great thing to talk about this in the season. That worry, and I think that that's that's where I'm comfortable calling. This is our season. The cove it's season is I don't I do what I do best, and I don't do what everybody else does because I'm confident in my role and I'm confident in my position in my team. I know that if I do the best in my a game that my whole team is gonna do the best in their A game and I don't have to try and do what Bob does. You secure my job and I think that's I'd love to dive into that a bit with your divine and get your thoughts on that.
Devon: 21:21
Yeah, E think when when you understand who you are and what you're capable of right there is. I think the universe responds to that. You know, people, even though they don't know why they respond to that when you know where your place is on the wall, so to speak, right, Um, when you know your place on the wall, you can give room to other people's place on the wall. You understand that you moving to the writer to the left is not correct, because that is not your space. You're not going to do well, and therefore, with the crew, collective is not going to do well. The trouble comes is for people who don't understand who they are, what, what they're good at. And and that's that's a That's a lifelong journey, right? We're all kind of learning that. But I think to have the courage to accept who you are and when I mean by that is that you guys were talking about the rats and and and I'm learning some of the rugby language, right? The smallest, tiniest player like you, said, Camden has a row and his or her role is just as significant as you know. I go to football because my son played football, but most of his his young life. Okay, he's only 20 but you know, he thinks he's old. My
Otis: 23:02
old left the last of that one. Yes, I
Devon: 23:04
think so. But you know, what I remember in football is is that, uh, you know, he had a good friend who was the quarterback, and he was the center, you know, and sometimes he would play some other positions. But the thing waas is that they both knew their role. And then when they play their roles the way that they should, it was sweet. It was It was a thing to behold, they surprised themselves. The team would surprise themselves. Right? But when they did not play their role, right, uh, they became unsure of, uh, what the place should have been, right? And you guys know how this goes. There was absolute chaos, right? Um, they didn't know howto pivot into somebody else's role was You're not supposed to use those. Still play your role when chaos happens, you're supposed to still play your role, right? That is what keeps chaos from just outright mayhem. But it's so, um, I think to that, uh when? For people whom as a leader. Okay, uh, manager supervisor. When you talk about your staff and your employees, when you recognize that somebody doesn't understand what their role is, what their value is on the team, you know, that's an opportunity, as as a leader, that's an opportunity to go build capability. Right? Um, that that is our opportunity to help somebody walk into their authentic self and not just, you know, Otis and I and one of the other founders of Or that we worked with on, um, we talk about servant leadership Ryan. And so as a servant leader, you're you're wanting to build the capability and the authentic self of that individual just for the individual's benefit, you know, then there's this additional benefit, right that comes to the whole team. Um and so I think you know, if you if anybody needs to understand what their life purse purposes at a minimum, it's it's one is tow. Walk in your own authenticity right is to get to that place to know who you are, what your value is, and then the second is is always making effort to help others on that journey. You know, that's the only way we get to the greater good of the whole. Um, so I don't know, Otis, if I if I answered that for you, I'm very passionate about, um this this journey of finding your authentic self, finding your voice, your truth. Um, I think we have so many people who are lost, and it's because they're holding on to belief systems and beliefs that no longer serve them. They know something's off. They know something's wrong. But either they don't have the strength of the courage to kind of defy what has been structured around them or they can't find um like they're They're sold tribe, right? They can't find their tribe. That will help them, you know, through that journey. Uh, so, you know, I'm one of those folks. And then that's one of the reasons why I think the world of, uh, Otis Camden is is that, you know, we understand that now that we have found our authentic Selves, we know who we are. We understand that our next responsibility is to help other people on that journey be a team's organizations, individuals, communities, whatever the case may be. So
Camden: 27:05
you know something? Something that comes to mind as we keep talking about the authenticity of the all that something I think I got from top, That's it. And recently about that might have been one of those work. I heard him say it first night on CNN everywhere, But it's about following your genius. And I'm not a sense of just like Look, you are good at this. Don't do it. You know, it tried to work and build the teams that you can follow your genius and keep working on this. And I've got a project I'm working on. Now that's it's getting into the tech world. I have no idea what I'm document took four coding classes in high school. I kind of get the gist of what coding is, but I have no idea how to build anything that I'm talking about, but I know what it's supposed to look like in my head, and I know the business model stuff, but it's about finding a People finding people to put into your team said you could follow your genius and just keep moving forward with what you're good at. India, whether you call it todo Maura, uh, artsy with it makes me think of the war of Art, which we've been referencing a lot, Uh, wherever you're feeling the most resistance. That's where your genius is going wherever, wherever your genius is going, you know it's your it's your muse, whatever you want to call it. That's just that's what that's what you are. That's what you're geniuses. That's where your skills said. It doesn't matter what kind of terms you want to use to put it together. Go follow that,
Devon: 28:18
and I believe wholeheartedly that the universe will respond like you know, it's been funny because I've been using this analogy and so many conversations with folks over the last couple of months, it's, ah, field of dreams movie. Build it and they will come, right. And so if you you know, you are stepping out there, Camden, you're like, I have this urge this need to create this thing and I don't know why. I don't know what I'm doing. I don't know. I don't have people that I have no to call and say, Hey, come help me. But the universe is saying Camden, just move right, Just move and it will bring the bunt. What you need will come to you because you were doing a good thing, right? You are offering a good thing. Um, and I think that people, that is what I'm talking about. We have so many gifted and talented people who are bound by belief systems that Oh, I've gotta have a venture capitalist and oh, I you know, I don't have the right network and oh, I don't have the right level of education and oh, and oh, and oh, and Oh, and I'm like there are too many people who have come before us that had nothing, right? And I think we're born alchemist we are born to create were born to co create right with it with the universe with, you know, whoever you call God. Okay, I'm Kristen got okay, but the universe sources going to respond to that, and I think why a lot of people are so unhappy. Um, and Otis, we talk about this during this downtime. People have opportunity to reflect on their hat unhappiness. Um, I think what? A lot of people are unhappy because they haven't done what you're doing. Camden. They're not pursuing that thing that keeps coming back to them. You know, someone gave up being a ballerina in order to become an accountant, because during that time, accountants made a lot of money, and that's what they were told they needed to do because they were fitted numbers. Well, dog gone, it Just because you're good at something doesn't mean you're supposed to do it. I mean, how many people wake up every day, go to a job to do something they're really good at, get paid well for and absolutely hate that job, right? That's because they didn't do the Camden move. Right? You know, we can put a what we could put a name to it now? No, I don't know. Used out. Like
Otis: 31:20
I said earlier, you are the giving.
Devon: 31:23
Thank God knows I make up words all the time. So, you know, we're gonna call it the Camden House. People don't they don't do that. And I think, Otis, you know, we've had this conversation a couple of different times in a couple of different ways. You know, this downtime has given a lot of people to assess their unhappiness. And you know what's gonna make me happy and maybe going to this job I've been going to for 20 years. I don't think that's making me happy or, you know, raising my kids in a certain way. That's not making me happy, whatever the case may be. And, you know, I'm very hopeful and prayerful that, you know, when we come out of this sees it, and I love that language. That's when we come out of this season is my sincerest hope that more people have awakened two. What doesn't make them happy and have the courage to do a Camden move right? Because that's like an awakening right in the beginning journey of finding authentic self. And I'm so excited for you, Camden because, um, your dad and I have done the same thing, right? We we have decided to, you know, kick off our shackles where no longer going to be oppressed by, you know, Bly's systems that no longer service, and dugan it We're going to go do the thing that we have a passion for, whether people think we're crazy or not. Um, and if you help one that counts, you know, that counts big time. So, uh, yeah, I'm totally that I'm all about. I'm all about that.
Camden: 33:07
I think I think one of the things were kind of touching on and kind of going to the current season, as you put it, that wouldn't do. You have this. You reflect inward, and you kind of look atyou. Know whether it's your purpose, your happiness, whatever, whatever you're reflecting on, then what? The opportunity that we're all talking about here. Is that your ability to create a purpose? You know, follow your genius, whatever it is and go after that. And then what I think is really interesting. Is this something Daddy and I have been talking about as far as focused on what you can control and then create your past forward out of things you can control. And then I think the other piece of that too tired. So what you've been saying divine is its invoking the muse, right? When you invoke the muse, it is you going and doing the work because you know that things will happen if you do the work. That's what the muses you can think of is, you know, some mystical creature that's telling you what to do and telling you know how to shape your sculpture. That's not what it is you got there. You put in the hard work day after day, and it allowed you to find that point of creative Jeez,
Devon: 34:02
I think everything that were intended to create is already in us. Right then that idea you had, that's not anything new. It's been with you camp, right? It has been. You have been messing with that idea for a long time, even maybe when you weren't conscious of it. There was something that kept Pingan you kept bothering. Okay, that would make you uncomfortable. And I think as time goes on and I think your dad can speak to this, you become more and more uncomfortable. Right? Um and that is the universe. Trying to tell you, Take the step, Take the step. You know you can't ever you bother your bunnies, right? You know, when they whenever they talk to Camden, this is all he talks about is X right? That that's a heads up from the universe. Did it this time. It's Scott likes to say, Otis, the pending. You know, Scott and another friend of buyers got less than, say, move out and draw fire. Right? Uh, that that's what you need to do is move out and draw fire, and everything else will will fall will fall in the place. Absolutely, Absolutely, Absolutely.
Otis: 35:22
I want I want oh, figuratively bring you back to the farm. And okay, give us Give us, like, two or three handful. Whatever those key lessons that you picked up growing up on a farm then and how those those have been your foundation to get you to the woman in place that you are right now.
Devon: 35:45
One thing I do know is is that you have to take care of the land you have to take we have to take care of this earth. The earth takes care of us. The earth feeds a it provides us with resource is, um And if you take care of the earth, it will take care of you. This I'm know, for fact. Okay. And that that's what I learned. Um, you know, really, tilling the land, learning to take care of it in its in its natural state with natural resource is, um so that's that's the one thing. And, you know, and I don't mean to use this language negatively. You know, I'm not an environmentalist. I'm not a tree hugger, right? I I don't identify myself that way. What I do understand is that the Earth is a living thing, and if we kill it, we kill it. Like it, It's it's done right. And so we kill it. We're done. So we need to get that, Um, and whatever that looks like for any particular individual. We just really need to get that. I think that the second thing is that, um, life is not does not require it being complicated, right? A simple life is a worthy life. Um, I think we have We've made our lives too complex. It is causing us problems. It is causing our Children problems. It is causing our community problems. Um, a simple life. And again, you know, each person gets to define that. But it just means, you know, just taking out the unnecessary chaos in your life. Whatever that looks like for you. Um, you know, I don't know if you've ever lived in rule towns and in the country. All folks live forever. They know. Go, Bailey. They're always watching this young people, right? You know, and tell an honest and stuff, But, um, it was that was always there. Wisdom was live a simple life. It doesn't mean you can't be a country kid and move off to the big city, right? And get a big fancy job. Um, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm just saying, keep your life simple. If they're things that no longer serve you, you know, let me go. If they're bringing complications and complexity to your life, that is not required, you know, let let that go. Um, And then I will say the other thing is, um and this goes back, I think, to the core of our conversation being, and I guess that's my stream of consciousness with all three of things is be yourself. Embrace you if you don't embrace you, You You're done like you. You are not a relevant if you can't embrace you. And most of us inherently want to leave a legacy of some sort, right? May not be millions of dollars. It may not be a foundation. Okay, but we do want to leave some sort of legacy. Um, only when you are in your authentic self can you leave unendurable legacy that, um, gives back to mankind in a way that advances that conversation once you're gone, Brian. And so I just I think that's it. I think those are the three things that kind of, um, growing up in a rule town. The town's very big now, but at the time we had 2400 people and, uh uh, one heist
Otis: 40:01
knew everybody and everybody.
Devon: 40:02
Yeah, I remember when we first got all right, we got McDonald's. McDonald's came into town, and I kid you not okay. We had a very We had a parking lot to the McDonald's, but there was ah, horse hitch post in front of the McDonald's because we kids used to ride into town on our horses, and her bike says we got. But it was not uncommon for us kids to get on our horses, and everybody kind of hit, you know, in the town. And so the the middles when it initially open, had a horse kitchen of it were you hits your horse in the Trump. Well,
Otis: 40:43
that that that's a first for me. I mean, I grew up in Texas, and I don't think I ever saw a McDonald's with the ancient post. So, uh, that's that's also that's
Devon: 40:53
your time. I Bailey remember it, you know. But anyway, uh, I just thought that was, like only only in Wentzville, Missouri. So, uh, yeah,
Otis: 41:06
well, and you know the other thing you said it. And I'm gonna be camped in the punch on this because I know this is what he's thinking. It is. Leonard Skinner is rolling through my head right now and being a simple man, Uh, you because you nailed it. I mean, And you I don't know if you were trying to quote the song or not, but did you go back and look at the lyrics of the song that that is what you just said.
Devon: 41:34
Wow. I was
Otis: 41:35
living a simple man. Focus on what's important. So awesome. Go ahead, Cam. I know yet so Oh, no.
Camden: 41:43
Well, I mean now is deaf. So I didn't have the linens get her going, even though I was singing Simple man in the back of the head and see what line I want to pull over. But I want I want him back on the backside and kind of the AG economics in the policy side. So for most of our listeners is probably about when they tune out. But for my few act friends, this will be a very important time. So being being in the beef in this year and now, I find it as one of the most interesting kind of not even turned over yet. But the future of the industry, I find very interesting. I'd love to kind of get your take on that, whether it's ah, I know that what Two years ago or two or three years ago, Tech to say. And now researchers were cloning wa wa ku beef cattle so that they could reproduce the bees exactly the same. And they 10th of the cost or something along those lines. I know there's all the different artificial needs and those type of things, whether it's the lab grown meat. So the meat substitutes which aren't meat and all these different angles air coming at it. And I just I just thought it would be interesting with your background ag economics and policy. That's kind of get your take on what the trajectory of the industry might be looking at and what where you see a kind of shaking out with these new emergency,
Devon: 42:50
let me not just speak to the camel industry. Let me just talk about food production in general. Okay? If that If that's OK and I know I think I'll be able to answer your question, um, way we have to come up with a way, a viable way that is not harmful to the Earth or two humans, right? To ensure levels of productions production where we can feed our people, right? Are people being the earth? Okay, we're quite capable of that now. We all know there are many reasons, uh, within a capitalistic society, why we don't meet the needs to feed all of our people. Okay, I won't even go down that road. We all know the wise, but I think that as we do the genetic development of foodstuffs and food products versus going with heirloom and organic, right? We know the science of this, like this is not up for debate. Right? Uh, you don't have to be a high functioning intellectual toe. Understand that organic and heirloom using heirloom seeds are probably the best thing for us, right? However, I do understand that we have two. From a scientific standpoint, we have to figure out a way to produce and, uh, grow food in a manner where we can get the quantity right and stabilize the quality of the product. Right, Because the assumption of the quality of the product and you know, when you talk about these genetic trials is trying to ensure that the nutrients and the proteins that are going to be beneficial right to the human body, particularly a human body that has been in deficit, right, um, that you create a product that is high in that proficiency so that you can quickly mitigate the risk of the nutrient deficient individual, okay? And I'm keeping it very simple. I understand the argument for that, but there's a level of responsibility that we hold as co creators. A CZ We gain more and more power to manipulate the genetic code. Information that were that were mindful that there are some that that we remain mindful that we're always doing it for the right cause and reason right that, you know, it's one thing when it in fact, one of my, uh my first year in college I had internship and agronomy is Matt Background. So crop production. And so we were working with legumes and we were trying to, you know, solo composition. Legumes put nutrients back into the soil, and so we were looking at different varieties of varieties that would grow faster, produce more, um, beans, Right. So, um, that's that's important. So you modify the genetic code to get that kind of outcome. What you don't do is myjob modified in my humble opinion is to modify the genetic code. Just two, um, create a monetization of the value add on that product. Do you understand what I'm saying? Like it had? It has to be because I really think that I'm cursed, but that stuff back buyers honest it backfires on its every single freaking time. And so, um, I don't know if I've answered your question, but that's really my truth internal position on, you know, modifying the genetic code, whether it be plants are animals way have a responsibility to make sure we under understand why we're doing it and to what we're doing it for.
Camden: 47:10
Yeah, and I think that kind of goes back to something we've been talking about it with. General Franco last week was basically it's about You have to understand what your purpose is and understand what you're objectivist. And as much as the objective is to feed everybody, you have to make sure you're feeding them the right things. The the easy example that I'll use for it is because I did business. I got to study this and everything was the with the green way. But with the Green Revolution, what's really interesting about it is it's a great job and eliminating poverty around the world. Oh my gosh, like starvation rates just went down like crazy and people stop starving. Except everyone was getting sick with all these new types of diseases because basically will happen is we said Oh, well, we could provide food. And we got really good with cereal crops and got everybody really good. So, yeah, everyone in the world could grow rights. Now we're good with that. But that's not the best thing for you. And it winds up having this weird effect where you get rid of. I mean, relatively speaking. Of course, on a global scale, you get rid of starvation as this huge risk factor. But then you have all this, uh, malnutrition. So I'm really the right word there. But you have all these nutritional side effects to where it's like, yes, but yeah, we can all get right so we can all rights. But it's really not great for you to just be meeting writes all the time and that the other side of it kind of lacked back. But you have to look at that. You know him from a production standpoint. What's what's the happy medium? They're just like you're saying, you know, can I can I provide the nutritional benefits while changing and going this direction to get a greater, more, more efficiency in our production or is this somewhere where we're gonna lose? And it's O It's just something where you have to be looking around and trying to focus on that overall purpose in the big picture.
Devon: 48:51
Right? But, you know, resolution is not solution, Okay? That people don't get that resolution is not always solution. Okay. And, um, as a lifelong strategist, I'm here to tell you a lot of people will default to resolution and never reach solution. Okay? And this is that this is the scenario that you're talking about right now. Okay, Um and that's when I'm saying that we have a responsibility to understand. Like you said, the objective, right? The the intent is it just to feed people and keep them from starving? No, It's the feet, people. And make sure that they they have nutrients so that they can be productive in the society for which they choose to participate in, so that they can go and do the thing that they were put here to. Do you understand what I'm saying? It's over. I'm saying resolution is not necessarily solution. Um, and I just It would be nice for a lot of people kind of get that whore in decision making. Ah, Arenas. Um, and I think, you know, way. Haven't you kind of talked a little bit about being a strategist and a policy analyst? You know, one of the things that I learned early on was my real power. Isn't helping people develop sound policies and standards to ensure that we check the right box is the relevant boxes for not the output, but for the outcome? That rice is the output, right? It did not meet the outcome. It was not the solution. It was just the resolution. And so I think you know, they're in last. My passion for what I do is helping leaders, teams, individuals, uh, at every level of life that they that they engage in t understand the significance of those two, Um, and where you know, it's that. So why isn't this working? We fed everybody. You know, starvation rates have come down, but health rates have gone up. Well, uh, it was a resolution, not a solution. Bats. Y you know,
Camden: 51:16
You know, I think I think
Devon: 51:17
that you got me on my cell box.
Camden: 51:20
That's all right. Well, I'm just thinking, right Now that we go ahead and start pulling out the calendars, we need to have divine back on with Dr Quello and just have a full AG episode Really diving. Maybe Maybe get James back on here too.
Otis: 51:34
I would, uh yeah, that would be a great one. Have Dr Quo back on with Devaughn that? Yeah, There's a great energy. Is there?
Camden: 51:42
I was already writing down. I almost got him to the Wizard of the Prophet again. So we'll leave that for another.
Devon: 51:50
Interesting. Yeah. Yeah, I just been so thin Security for me, Camby.
Camden: 51:59
Way perfect. Now we got you booked for next. Well, that's going to go through our wrap up on, and I guess I'll get started with the dead today. Uh, so we always like to go through divine with what we learned, and I think something you said it was is one of the many quotes I find this happening more and more where it reminded me of other things I've heard, but I like the way you said it. A lot of just the one with the greater. His wisdom bears the responsibility. There's lots of different ways you can look at that. But it's really just, if you're if you're the white, the wiser and wiser. Yeah, okay, so why's there? What? You're the wiser one. It's your responsibility to help people who aren't on that same level as you. And I think that's something where you look at it, the core that comes to mind. I think it's Seneca. I's talking about how if you hear someone use, ah, word wrong that you shouldn't correct them for using the word wrong. You should teach them into using the word properly. And it's kind of just that slight different perspective of it's not used that. Come on, man, get better. It's teaching them how to be better picture. So I love that. And I think that's a great one. Dad, would you learn that?
Otis: 53:04
Well, uh, I liked I liked the way Devon put the lack of that thing in themselves is what creates that insecurity that they accused the accusation of of you being arrogant, right? Uh, that that's a great way of understanding and gun. It flows back into that. If you're more mindful of yourself when you become more mindful of yourself, you can You can also understand other perceptions, people and how why? They're thinking that way. So and it goes back to what you were just talking about Canada. It's it's don't correct. I must teach them. And I, that's that's a great mind set toe have is not to be overwhelmed in that respect and not to be accusation. All because the natural reaction when somebody accuses you of being arrogant is to attack, attack, back, right that that's really want to do as opposed to a Why, Why, what what's what's their perception of me that makes them believe that I am Erica and I? That's that's a really great place to understand and have that perception.
Camden: 54:19
What what that reminds me of that when you talk about like the perception we talked about it before in terms of communication, kind of the encoding and decoding right. We do that with perceptions. It's the same. It's the same type of concept that same little flow chart of people Look at you and because of whatever world Linds, they've you used through, they have all these assumptions that come out of the air, and you have to be able to look at them. Look from there look from their world view and see what that is. And that's before.
Devon: 54:45
And the only way that you could do that successfully is your ego has to stand down, right? Your ego, that that's that greater wisdom. Okay, bearing that responsibility, your ego has to stand down in order to navigate. There's and then come to them and that with Grace, right, rather than the correction, you come to them with grace, right? And in that, in that space, and only in that space can people be taught
Otis: 55:14
Would you learned of on,
Devon: 55:16
um, that candle and I need to hang out. I found a tribe member as a baggie and a brother and, like, mind so. But I think I love some of this This, um, this language on and I'm trying to think of a kingdom. What did you use the muse, right? You talked about the muse, and you said, um, what was the other one about the entrepreneur, the intelligent? What was that? The forward in your genius. I love I love that following your genius because it's in you, right? It is yours. It's in you. Um follow that rather than the belief systems that no longer serve you. And and so I'm just like, Yeah, that's that's that's really cool. I like that. So, um and I'm enjoying chatting with you guys like this has been so much fun. This has really been cool. Thanks for happy.
Otis: 56:23
Well, we really appreciate really appreciate you taking the time today, and it's ah, good to charity and learn a little bit more about your philosophy and and how that that foundation that you have from getting your hands down into the dirt and, uh, and how that is giving you this solid foundation to be who you are today and be the leader that you are So really appreciate You taking time out of your schedule today.
Devon: 56:50
Thanks, guys, for having me.
Camden: 56:52
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Otis: 57:20
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