Otis: 0:00
wait. Well, today's show the camera noted show, uh, a dreary day in Colorado. 300 days of shine, you know? And, you know, may I'm counting, uh, thing getting it today. So shout out to my buddy Mike across the highway. 300 days, just till three days of shine Distillery. Unpaid sponsorship. So love your brother. Looking forward to seeing you again soon. I don't know why I went into that whole thing, but 300 days, it must be the great clouds. Hey, what do we want to do today? Was do a follow up on our covert 19. We did 22 shows back in March. Ah, a couple of weeks to go. Want to do this is part three with a little bit more focus on business, because what what I'm seeing from my seat. And, uh, my perspective of what business is starting to do is make their adjustment to this and starting to create. But I would I call an interim normal. Not a not a new normal, but an interim normal. I toss it to you can because I know you've been doing some research, uh, a little bit of forensics, which is a really interesting thing that we can do now is we're starting to get some data into this. So tell us about that 40 Niner story.
Camden: 1:40
Yeah. So just to kind of take a comment on the data real quick, the data on all this stuff is starting to come in. Which means you could start drawing all sorts of conclusions. Which means you can put on your tin hat. If you really want Thio, you could definitely go down that route. We're not. We're gonna try our best to stay away from that. But so what happened with the 40 Niners? There's this speculation coming out right now that basically, on Super Bowl weekend, San Francisco was dealing with its first handful of Corona virus cases. There was a small amount of doctors at a couple hospitals that were working with their first patients. So on February 2nd Super Bowl weekend, if the Kansas City Chiefs haven't strung together those three unanswered touchdowns in the fourth quarter, the San Francisco 40 Niner Super Bowl parade would have, in all likelihood, been a super spreading event with hundreds of thousands of people con created out of the streets, all passenger, all passing the virus along to each other. This could have been a huge jump as faras the virus goes inside our country. And fortunately, Kansas City was about six weeks behind San Francisco on the curve. The current we've all been talking about Kansas City was six weeks behind on it, so they were pretty much in the safe zone at this point. That's really lucky. So just there's your quick recap on the first tinfoil tinfoil hat conspiracy coming out of this s o thank you, Kermit the frog and the rest of the chiefs for doing your part to keep us all safe.
Otis: 2:57
So what you're saying is Jimmy Garoppolo is is a hero. Oh, exactly. He threw the game on purpose. Hey, did he saved? He saved his own town so well, Well done, Jimmy. I mean, not the method I would have chose, but no. Well done. Uh, you know, but all joking aside, it is really interesting now because we can start to look back and and, you know, those of us who, uh, been in leadership positions for for our entire life, practically like to look back and say, Well, what could I have done different because if you're if you do it right, the lessons that you can learn from study in the past, you know, the the infamous those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it and then all the variants of that quote. But there's a lot of truth to that, because how can I get better? How can I make better decisions going for learning from what I did in the past? And I want to make a point on this because this is that this is a really important thing that I've I truly believe in it. And the military does a 75% job, and they're really good at 75% because what the military does they do after action reports, and then they do lessons learned. So your after action report and hot washes and things like that. You know, that's right After the event, talked things through after action reports more a little bit written formal, and then we extract those things out of the after action report and put him into a database. That's the 75%. What's missing is the 25% of the most important and that's making it a lesson learned. And that's that right? There is what we should all be doing. Looking back from the president from from the World Health Organization from the premier China Lottie, Dottie, Everybody to include you and me and what we bought at the grocery store. Those things looking back. And what was the decision we made? Did that work out best for where I'm at now? Okay, well, next time next time I'm going to the grocery store to do my twice a month shopping. Well, your mom, Mr Xan, but twice a month, shop in force. Uh, when she goes out there and does it, we've got a really good listen, we're getting better and better at that list. So think of the efficiencies that we're creating going forward. So it's no longer run to the Wal Mart run to King Soopers, You know, three or four times a day because, man, I meant to grab a bag a t. You know, whatever it is. Oh, crap. Just ran out of a coffee. No, you're We're starting toe get better at, and the same thing goes higher up. You could do this in your business, whether you're in crisis mode or not. Why did we not win that bid? One with our proposal. And then again, the most important, the 25% the last 25% which is absolutely, positively the most important is making it a lesson. Learned otherwise and, they learned, is just a lesson. It's just some It's a data point. So uh, yeah, that wouldn't where I wanted to go with this, but and you touched on a test on a point that I think is really important because we're damn good. It collected that. Hey, if you haven't tried the CBD as a product to help you with those aches and pains and sore muscles and arthritis in your joints, it's time to do that. And one of the products that I'm a fan of and I've been using now for just shy of a year, is mashed its military and athletic strength hemp oil. It's a high quality cannabinoid that they put in the in the product and what it What it does is it helps mitigate pain, mitigates swelling and and rejuvenate some old crusty joints like I have next surgery. Last year, I've been using it as part of my recovery plan and ongoing maintenance plan, if you will, so that I can continue to do what I love to do. That which is get up and work out every day. And Nash has has been a big part of that ongoing path that I enjoy and enabling me to continue to work out like I like I love to do so check out mash hemp dot com If you're a veteran or first responder, you get a heck of a discount. So goto mashing up dot com.
Camden: 7:38
Well, there's a few things off of that that I like to say 1st 1st and foremost, as far as you're talking about the reflection and being, I think that's something you want to throw back the last week's episode. It's something that ties and authenticity. You have to know your strengths and weaknesses, nowhere to be authentic, and I could talk about last week. If you're authentic, those around you will be authentic and you'll perform at a higher level so you kind of glossed over something that I would liketo specify. A little bit more for folks is that there's two different ways you want to build that authenticity through understanding your strengths. Weaknesses. We'll start with the rugby. Example. X. It's easy is you can think about it right after the game. But I've been there. I know you've been there and we've been there with players. Also. That is a very emotional state. You are still in the f that guy for tax, you know, if that guy for punching me in the face, Damn it, I missed that tackle. Are we could have done this. We could have done this. You're still in that woe is me face when I like to call your Mr Tackle pot set, the faster you can break out that missed tackle mindset, the faster you can get into the second phase of reflection, which is the honest reflection where you're looking at it saying Okay, Well, yeah, I miss that tackle. He's about £100 on me. And, you know, I had a full running start and I was on my heels. Maybe it makes sense. Maybe I should beat myself up about it or, you know, the more common one to take the punched in the face. One is Hey, how many times you get punched in the face during a rugby game, is it? That guy's fallen. Does he hate you? No, no, no, That's the answer. There you get up, you keep going. It's just a game and we move on from it. You can have that reflection, what we use here you have a ZX 24 hours out 24 hours after the game. You can look back on it and you could really be honest about what happened, what you could do better and what you did well. And that's the important thing there is, looking at all those different pizzas and then creating that, taking that info And like you said, applying that data into lessons learned, How could we move forward from that?
Otis: 9:24
Well, I was just going to say there the 24 I think that's a great, uh, great technique. But there's a lot to be said to capture some things when it's fresh in your mind and the emotions are still raw. The trick is, you know, the coach, in this case, talking about sports team is what do you do with that? How do you contain that? Because you don't wantto to bubble up and be this continuous thing. You wanted to be more of a raw emotion, immediate, uh, feedback. That is fresh. But you also wanna You also want to contain it so that it doesn't continue on. You know that. I know that you and Coach Duffy, you'll have that 24 hour rule, and that's a great one. I mean, that that exists in a lot of use sports to talking to the coach and things like that. But there's also some things that we miss When we do that, when we don't do the immediate, you know, step into the locker room. All right. What happened here? You spend 30 minutes. That's what we do. Didn't special ops. We finish the mission, we come back and we'd hot wash it right then. I mean, you're you're beat down. You're tired. You're hungry, Cold, sweaty, You know, depending on her or whatever. You did you all. You all you can think about is hot meal and a shower and going to sleep because you've just been on an operation, right? But the information we collect when it's fresh and raw like that is essential to building on the next operation building on the next lesson that we can learn. And
Camden: 11:12
I think you're completely right. I think it really comes down to using both of those techniques because there's so much. There's so much that you could miss if you act like you shouldn't even think about the game. And I think that's one interesting thing and I'll kind of expand on this. I'm not sure. Yes, you know, maybe maybe Duffy is is always thought through and he's just been, hasn't explained it all to me. But, you know, as we're talking through this, it's basically more of 24 hours of processing it. Doing that hot washes you put it where it's 24 hours of me looking at what happened, being pissed off about it, being happy about it, whatever, whatever I need to go through, but still looking back on the game because even though we act like you know, it's it's a 24 hour rule like just completely forget about it. We'll think about it tomorrow. That's not really hit. Its more of don't worry about, I think is the difference there and really kind of giving yourself that time to reflect on it personally so you can make those improvements. I know for me Sunday mornings is when I have all of the insights for my rugby game. The day before doesn't mean I wasn't thinking about it last night or last evening while we were having dinner. But I just wasn't really putting the pieces together. I was still, you know, in that miss tackle phase. I was still pissed off that I got in a scuffle or whatever it
Otis: 12:20
was. So applying that to business. So how can we How can we apply that to business? Because, you know, we really there are some emotional events and things that happen in business. But a lot of times it's it's small peaks and small valleys and really, you know, honestly, as a businessman on business owner, that's what I want. I don't want I don't want the emotional roller coaster like I'm playing. You know, I've got a highlight on Saturday night because that's the game night, and then I crash and burn on Sunday. Then I come back up. Now What I want is I want little peaks and valleys on a continuous line that is on a slope positive slope. So when we're dealing with that, how do we? How do we translate this 24 hour period? The hot wash, you know, the immediate and in the 24 hour period into lessons learned.
Camden: 13:18
So I think it's a same type of thing. I know I've used my the missed tackle mindset. I've used that in business before. Whether it's I think, the easiest example of sales, you know, you get you get enough doors shut in your face. You know, you get ran over enough times and you feel like crap, and it's hard to break yourself out of that emotional point. But you still have to do it, just like in the game. It doesn't do you any good to think about the title you just missed. You have to get out to keep playing. Same type of thing goes with her when you're working in the business world, if you take that loss, you have to take it on the chin and keep going, because no matter what and especially your point, if it's a smaller peak, smaller valleys it's not a significant in the big picture. To think you really shouldn't be dwelling on it. You should be pushing yourself forward and trying to take the emotion out of it. And but just like we've said, you could still have that hot wash of Okay, what just happened? How do I feel about it right now? What kind of feelings do I have? Because the feelings and this is something kind of important thing we've kind of been glossing over. Would you look at emotion? We say Take emotion out of it. That's good in that. Because when you're taking a motion out, you get this really calculus. If then you get your cool, you get your cold hearted economist hat off right where you could piece things together without any emotion. But emotion is something that exists. Emotion is something that's always part of the equation. And so you also have to have that emotion, insight, emotional insight into Okay, Well, you know, why was I pissed off? What led me to feel that way? How can I feel better about it next time and really taking night it just perspective as well? Just a CZ. Much as you want your cold, cold hearted calculations to take perspective
Otis: 14:50
so good, I wanna want to shift our gears a little bit from the lessons learned, Thio, you just back into our covert part three and brought out what I've noticed. And I think I made it touched on this a little bit, but businesses or shifting? I'm seeing it if you if you step back and look at some bigger picture things, it's not just, you know, HBO giving us more free movies. The advertising is changing. Yeah, I caught one this morning. The big furniture store around your American family Furniture, American Furniture warehouse, American Financial, No American American furniture,
Camden: 15:32
Warehouse of the Tigers. Oh, yeah.
Otis: 15:34
Oh, yeah. Okay, so what they did, is they? They said we're here, We're doing this. And they had pictures of their team video of their team in the warehouse running forklifts and stuff. And I'm pretty sure that they're they're a non essential retail store. So they're closed down right now. And but that's That's the Hey, we're gonna be here when things come back. When we're able to open up, we're here to serve you little things like that that I'm seeing Maura. Maura. Uh, and although they're still Cem, we'll call it lazy called a cheat. Call it ignorant, whatever label you wanna put on it now, people that businesses that have not adjusted their marketing
Camden: 16:24
plan I was gonna pop a shot real quick at It was, I think, was a Toyota when I saw last night where their classic commercial is. Hey, come buy a Toyota. And then now they have this minute and 1/2 long commercial going around where they talk about Cove in and how we're all in this together. And then it's still just hate, go buy a Toyota. It's like, Okay, maybe do a little bit more work trying to tie together your marketing like you. Just like you were saying for American furniture warehouse like, at least they're tying things together, you know, showing that connection that we all have instead of, you know, not not even touching on it,
Otis: 16:56
because because what do you what do you see every time you're on TV or you're you're researching something? Video pops up and there's a group of people What's your first reaction is like they're not social distances or physical distance, and in my book they're not physical distance. And how dare they? That's dangerous Oh,
Camden: 17:16
yeah, it's weird to see people in movies shaking hands and stuff. Now it's got it's got at that point.
Otis: 17:21
Yeah, so that's okay when you realize it's a TV show. But I'm the businesses that are doing well and smart and are able to change their model and change their marketing plan and and adjust it. Those are the ones that were gonna do well out of this. Because whether we realize it or not, that subliminal thing sticking in our head you know this. If it's the camera kind of the flying around camera inside the restaurant, you see all these people happy and celebrating, and it's like that That ain't right, you know. And guess what that's planted in my head that that Billy Bob's barbecue downtown in full or they're having parties and they shouldn't be. And that's dangerous, you know. So now that's affected my decision making going forward and end their marketing to me and and I am a sample, and I guarantee if I think that there's 100 other people, 100,000 other people that are thinking that
Camden: 18:30
yeah, and I think I think when you talk about the adjustments I think this is really where it gets into something we've been talking about as Faras Crisis, half opportunity in half chaos. And when you're in this crazy situation that we're all living in right now, there are a lot of problems which hopefully I could set you up for this. What are problems, Dad? Opportunities right s. So you haven't taken enough entrepreneur workshops yet? Problems are just opportunities. Okay?
Otis: 18:57
Everything's an opportunity, son. You don't have the label, there's a
Camden: 19:00
Okay, Okay, well, problems or opportunities. I'll say that. And there's a lot of problems right now, and there's a lot of people with a lot of time sitting there to solve them. And this is why I can't touching into whether it's making adjustments inside your business or making adjustments as a whole. I think this is why we're going to see this surge and entrepreneurship and those type of things, whether it's part time. So she entrepreneurship or something full time, where they want to be completely self employed. People have time, we're on their hands, time at home, where they're looking at all of these different problems, and there's a lot of smart people out there and there doesn't mean a lot of solutions, just like you're seeing it on the big businesses that are able to make those pivots and make those adjustments. You're seeing justice. I think you're gonna see justice. Many people over the long run that are coming up with smart things just in their home and then applying them abroad.
Otis: 19:45
Well, you have this opportunity and what it is, it's it's who you are. Okay, so you could be the person that looks at this, you know, the last two weeks plus, actually is longer than that. Now, I think three weeks I should have measured my beard as a type had the sands of time or my beard growing. But I know several people I've talked to that that that first week, they were like vacation. And then they realize holy shit thistles going this night vacation. This is real world stuff, and we've got to do something and those of the people, whether you did it immediately or you did it after the first week or so, you make that mind shift and you realize that there is opportunity here and there's opportunity for me to create something whether whether that creation is make myself better professionally take. It's more online classes, doing whatever building a table, making you coffee table for the house, getting more fit, whatever those things are. Those of the people that are going to excel out of this as just this just popped into my head. You know, in in the race car driving, you always try to flatten the curve, because what do you do when you when you're flattening the curve and race cars, you're able to go faster? All right, So if you're doing that and you're you're slowing down for the curve, you're gonna miss the opportunity to get past. If you're able to flatten that curve and accelerate through this habit if you want the one in tow entrepreneur business speak. You accelerate through the pivot that curve, man, you're gonna leave everybody else in the dust, and it's just so that that's that's where you know, I'll just tell you that's where I get pissed off. It's like, Quit your damn wine. Where's what are you doing? Oh, okay, So you're a waiter and your restaurant's close. Okay? What else do you do? Ah, well, I like to go on. Nice. Really? So have you ever thought about, I don't know, designing a map, doing some virtual videos, putting some things together that that can help somebody else and just keep your mind creating. I mean, you can make it. You follow. Follow your genius. What's your What's your favorite thing? You're amused. You can. You can make excuses and watch Netflix and HBO. You know, all those free movies. So there's a lot of them, Believe me, or you could take this opportunity and come out bigger and better than everybody else, No
Camden: 22:33
doubt. Yeah, and I think it's something interesting. And, you know, as we're talking about entrepreneurs like that that it's it's about putting in that work and seizing the opportunity while it's in front of creating that path forward. And that's something I've been experiencing a lot of friends and that same type of thing. A lot of people have been for a load. A lot of people aren't working, and they're spending their time at home, watch Netflix and playing video games, and I I've taken another turn, and it's freakin terrible. I could say it's not that fun, but I Oh my gosh, I mean, this is the great. This is the grand irony of entrepreneurship, though, isn't it? Because I am working my ass off harder than I have been for a while, but it's actually kind of fun. It's kind of fun to get in the trenches and do that work. It's kind of fun to create your path forward because you could you create that certainty, get that hope going to get that face to get all that fun entrepreneur stuff started grind on Ford like that. And I think that's what a lot of people are gonna find during this is that there's something there that you can do, and there's some sort of opportunity that you can take and move forward. There's a problem that you can solve, and it's just a go solve it. Go start working on it. So get out there and you know you're a bartender. That's out of work. Okay, Liquor stores aren't closed. Why don't you get making drinks? Let's get a new drink, huh? What's the next big drink? Why don't you go figure that out? There's all these different things. There's different ways you can do different things you could do. But you have to stop yourself from getting in that negative mindset thinking. Okay, what can I do? Where is my genius? Where is my views? Right.
Otis: 23:57
Well, I just got to correct you. It's Mixologist.
Camden: 23:59
Speaks all that. Just Oh, yes, technology. I know a lot of bartenders. They just like the old bartender. So anybody out there that
Otis: 24:07
might be short me on my shot next time
Camden: 24:10
in Colorado. You got Mixologist down here in Tucson. I think they're just bartenders.
Otis: 24:16
You know it. You made me think of something. So as a business owner, business leader, military leader and a follower, you know what I want. I don't want a do. Er I wanted entrepreneur on my teeth. I want a team of entrepreneurs. That doesn't mean when when Cam is talking about maybe onto general, create something, do something, it doesn't mean you have to start a business. But if you have that mindset of how can I solve this problem better? How can I do this there? Hey, you know that old fashioned? What if I did something just a little bit different making that old fashioned? You know what I could cross hatch move my lawn. No, There were so many different things that are possible to do if you want to. D'oh! And I can tell you right now, I The light came on this morning and I did some math and it was really hard on me. Today's the 16th of April. Remember recording this? And, uh, Governor Wallace, Colorado governor said 30 April is when the shelter in placing an end, I was like, Wait a second, That's Ah, that's two weeks more. Two weeks more when this is coming out will be at just a little over a full week. Still to go. That's a lot of time, folks. A lot of time to sit on your ass and eat bond bonds and watch Netflix. Alright. Sorry. This flash into my head, this is this is old school Cold War stuff from the, uh, the Fulda Gap. Watching the Russians never may, but some of my brothers in arms doing this and getting made fun of by their platoon sardines for drinking, great knee high smoking dope and bad mouth from their country on the weekends. So guess what. This is a long weekend for those folks that folks were sitting around on their couch wearing out their sofa, eating bon bonds and watching Netflix. Man, you don't do so
Camden: 26:25
well and I think kind of to go would go to your point there. This doesn't have to be to start a business. I'll take the really easy example of social entrepreneurship. What is a problem inside your community? What is the problem inside the right to be community? What is the problem inside the Barton? The community? What is the issue? Is it a I've got a wild could stab right now. It's probably talking with folks and didn't around each other in networking and being social. Well, how can you fix that? You set up a club set up a Facebook group where you have all of the bartenders in your local area. Get on and you guys have a happy hour every Friday night shot out the the back pub for their Tuesday Tuesday Thursday, Friday, happy hours, doing a great job with that debt due
Otis: 27:06
to slow business on Tuesday nights, we've closed with can't afford to keep the staff employed, so just doing Thursdays and Fridays now at Max Virtual Pup just a little update.
Camden: 27:18
They're such an easy example, because why? Why not do that? And whether it's with your rugby team or with your with your bartending friends or your friends from the restaurant? Get the bartenders and the servers and the cook and the chefs all together, whatever type of thing it is, or even easier. You could be the social entrepreneur inside your friend group. Here's your little called action. Why aren't you doing a virtual happy hour with your friends? Why aren't you doing a virtual happier with your family? There's no reason not to. We're all doing. I know you and I were both very active in this right now, but there's no reason why you shouldn't be doing that. And if you're not doing it and you and none of your friends are taking that step forward, you should be the one to do it and push that forward because it was the type of things we need during this time. You, that's you. Solving your problem. That's you. Solving a problem. It doesn't have to be starting a business. Go start a freakin damn video chat. It's easy.
Otis: 28:07
Well, let's let's bring this back to you, mom and pop shop business. You know, uh, friends of mine owned business. I think it's called Eagle Engraving. Know another. Another SF brother and his wife own it on Dhe know they're shut down. Well, small mom and pop shop. What can they do? Oh,
Camden: 28:28
years TV. Straight up for that, I wasn't ready for. I thought you were gonna have a little bit more there. Okay, well, so I think the biggest thing we could look at is and I don't think they're gonna directly answer the question about a tip, told my way around it and see how you like it. So I think when we're looking at the way, we're shut down right now. Obviously, I don't think we should. We are not in a place, of course. And I don't think anyone really should be out trying to defy the expectations of your local government or anything like that. If you are not allowed to do business right now, you probably should not be doing business right now. But I would use my magic wand a little bit. Ast faras what the actual solutions should be looking like. Because when this is one of those where it's This is the Economist answer, because it's a multi variant problem. It's one of the most complicated problems he could possibly draw up because you're a time every piece of the economy together with this crazy virus that we don't fully understand all of the epidemiology sides of that right There's so much going on here. So obviously we can't expect people have the easy answer. But what you're looking at, basically, is that you have that you have you have you have your costume benefit, right? What is the cost of not doing business? And that's what a lot of these places are seeing is you know, what is what is on unemployment? I think 22 million people found unemployment within the last month. Something insane like that. Yeah,
Otis: 29:41
but that's just by the way, that it you got to do the math because that's new
Camden: 29:46
violence. New on new filings for an appointment are 22 million people. In the last month,
Otis: 29:51
it's up above 10%. I don't know what the latest is.
Camden: 29:55
So at what point is it worth you going back doing business? And this isn't where this is something that people have been doing where they speculate. We'll just start the economy up. Okay, it's worth it if we get people sick. No, it's not really worth it. If we get people sick, that's worth a lot of money to. So where's your so again multi very a problem. It's not black and white. What we're looking at there is okay, what adjustments can you make to in order to continue to operate your business, whether it's virtually whether it's remotely, whether you are doing deliveries or whatever, whatever kind of solution you have there, I don't know your business. But whatever you're able to do with that and then doing do it and make those adjustments necessarily, you know, I'm still doing opportunities Foodways Solutions. I am reaching my buckets like crazy because I don't want any of my customers getting sick and I don't want to get sick. Take those precautions where a mask and you're doing deliveries. All this little stuff. It's not a black and white problem. There's so much gray area in the middle there where there's opportunities to be more successful, help yourself, help your business and then, you know, ideally find that that happy medium that we would speculate for US economists towards the cost of benefit where we're not getting people sick. But we're also not having 22 million new people applying for unemployment, everyone, because that's one and I'll get my two cents in on that real quick. That's not slowing down anytime soon. That's something that it's we need to be aware of is that this is the ripples, economic ripples throughout throughout our the national economy, through different jobs. As people get out of work, more people are going to get out of work because those ripples they're going to just keep going. It's new and new industries and things are going to continue to have problems, so you have to look at it. Whether you're a small business owner or a large business owner, you have to look at it is how can I avoid going under in this situation because if you avoid going under, you're able to continue paying your employees, you're able to continue helping them continue circulating dollars in your economy and were able to help more people in the long run. So I know I just went off on my tangent there. But that's really where you're looking at is it's a cost benefit situation. And you have to be creative with your solutions or to find that middle ground.
Otis: 31:55
That's right. And the only way you could be creative is you have to be positive if you get down in the dumps and you're here. Whoa is maybe, you know your like, every good business owner you're losing sleep at night because you you're trying to figure out how you're gonna make payroll the next day, right? Every good business owner goes through those cycles in their business matter, whether you got 1000 employees or two, Uh, but when you're in that mode, you can't create when you're when you're freaked out about something. Whether is the doors are closing. My food is writing Whatever. I saw something. Gold's Gym and Colorado Springs. Three of them are closing down. Who knows why? I mean, they've had some bad business problems in the past this month
Camden: 32:46
we got a firsthand peek into that. Only about 12 years ago. Grizzlies
Otis: 32:50
Exactly. That may have just been a straw that broke the camel's back store thing. They've had some bad business decisions in the past. And then it's timeto revamp your business model. And that may be what you need to do that maybe the solution for you and your team is, Let's let's figure out a new business model and pivot and you know something else. And this This goes into that vernacular that that we always make fun off this words, being something right. And there's two phrases that are out there right now that I just despise. 1st 1 is social distancing because it ain't social distance in its physical distancing. And I'll stomp on that until the day this is over. And I'm released from the Q. Right. One more time, Dad. One more time. I I it ain't. It ain't social distance in its physical distances. Got it here that, people, the next one is shelter in place. And this just popped into my head. While we're talking, When do you shelter in place? When a tornado tornado hurricane's coming, Maybe unearth coy. You shelter in place for a short instant period of time. We need shelter and employees. What the hell of my shelter for? Is it raining cove it? No. Oh, what I'm doing is I'm keeping my family safe. I'm keeping myself safe. And I'm keeping my neighbors safe by staying at home. Were latching onto words that cause panic, whether intentionally or unintentionally. And I'll tell you my opinion, since we're doing a hell of a lot of the editorial talking today, the media world wants us to be scared because then we eat Maur right, and I don't mean physically, although the bond bond's come to mind. But we're gonna watch Maur because we're scared me. Why no. Oh my God, how many more?
Camden: 34:53
That's that's one of those. I don't even think it has to be this big like Ooh, the media is out to get. It's nothing like that. Just look at it so simply enough of what are they selling and where, Like if they sell us fear, do they get more people? Yes, it's that simple. It doesn't mean these people are out to get us. I don't let people people go down that road, and that's not what this means. What it means is that that's where they're and symptoms are lined up, you know, go back to behavioral science side of things. They have the incentive to behave like that, and that's it. That's all that's going on. And just look at it honestly, so you can understand the situation there. Sorry to jump in.
Otis: 35:27
We'll know their business, right. In order to be successful as a business, you have to sell your product. And how do you sell your product? You let people know about it. And how do you let people know about that's called marketing? And what makes successful marketing for news? Big giant storms, Big crisis Is that air really upsetting and bring up this this fear that we want to stay? Uh, man, I got it. It's It's almost It's almost the hour. So I gotta catch the latest headlines and the president's talking and the the speaker of the house. It's talking and all these sort of the governor's talk. Come on, all right. I mean, it's Let's change. Let's change the vernacular to positive. Okay, let's change it. It's physical distancing, not social distancing. It's family time. Not shelter in place, you know. And if you're single an apartment by yourself, call it Goldson. Quality personal time
Camden: 36:33
timeto be a social entrepreneur and start some video chat groups with your friends and get moving forward. There's
Otis: 36:40
opportunity out there, man. I mean, but changed the vernacular, changed the words to make it positive. And you'll be amazed because words mean things, right? So shelter in place means Oh, my God. Panic. I'm panicking. No, I'm creating. So
Camden: 37:05
exactly and, you know, I think kind of added into the more long term thing in this. What thing I want to get in and talk about a little bit is what I've been calling our technology to jump. That we're coming up on is basically what we're looking at. And it's easy for me to speak on this. Maybe, actually, honestly, not even trying to make a joke here. You would probably be a better perspective on it because you've lived through more of the technology stuff. I was kind of, you know, I grew up with cell phones, Even though I'm 24 I still not as bad as some of these kids nowadays. But there were self outset. But the interesting thing is that we were all inching our way along that adopt adopt a shin Wow adoption adoption stomach for adaptation. There we got Adaptation Curtis faras technology does. All this stuff has been out there for a while, and we just kind of been into Norway along towards adopting that type of technology. And I think what we're seeing with this is that it's gonna kick in the ass. Everything that is able to go virtual is going virtual now. If you were prepared for, you will be successful and you will stay for two after this is done. If you were doing a terrible job of it, you will probably go back to how it was or there's your other opportunity solving a problem there. You make an adjustment. You pivot your business model, Siri, able to handle this. You know, it's the same type of thing we've talked about before. People are realizing that they are. They like spending time at home. People are like realizing they like spending time with their family, like having flexible schedules like not commuting 45 minutes in traffic every day. All these sort of things are adding up, and that's not gonna go away. People are gonna remember that, and you're gonna wind up with this Interesting. You know, like, uh, almost like a generational cut that you would get with things like, You know, if you look back at history towards the great Depression of behaviors that are going to change drastically because of this and whether they're lasting or not, you're going to see, at the very least, a chunk of generations that are acting that way. You know, the to take the example of people from Great Depression era that the folding of Christmas paper, the folding of Christmas paper that blows my mind. Still, I'm not people like that where it's like you grew up in a time where nothing was guaranteed and you had you could never throw anything away, literally anything. And so when you woke up on Christmas morning and you went undrafted, President doesn't matter how excited you were. You carefully unwrap him and folded it back up and tucked it away so you could use the draft presence next year. That's big we could be looking at, and I'll put on my speculation, Hafer said. We could be looking at an entire generation of folks that fist bump or touch elbows. Instead of shaking hands, we could be looking at people who carry hand sanitizer everywhere they go, who don't go to sporting events. You don't go to concerts. What have whatever these lasting effects we're gonna be? We're gonna be seeing a lot of that type of stuff because people this makes people feel a certain way. And that fear is it nice? And people are gonna steer away from that fear with all sorts of
Otis: 39:52
No, it's Tze that's exactly what you gotta do and you get there, You know, that goes back to the well saying earlier is we're in an interim interim norm right now that's the way I'm putting. We've been in this situation long enough, the family time. They're highly recommended family time to know the no large gatherings of people, uh, physically present. And that's become a new interim norm, you know, complete with the boy businesses or marketing their products. It's what will the perpetual norm look like? Although perpetual is a relative term because things were always in a state of change. But sometimes when you're when you're in the change, you don't see it, right? So what will that look like? And what will our culture look like going forward? And what will our businesses look like? No. And I jump back to the point you made about business is changing to this virtual on the online it is, you know, I got a good friend of mine who works with Bunker Labs. It's a better an entrepreneur, nonprofit sports bettor and entrepreneurs and getting their business up and running. Man, they're number one game Was was there their social physical aspect bringing everybody together for They called it, Ah, brew nights or something like that, and they did it monthly all around the country. Can't do that anymore right now, you know? But you know what they've done? Is they completely shifted? They were talking about it two months ago, talking about how do we go virtual Now they've done just what you said. This has become a catalyst event for them. There's accelerated the decision process and they're changing operations and they're gonna they're gonna blow it up, blow the rest of these organizations out of the water by the by the chain, the rapid change they're able
Camden: 41:58
to make, which I think, you know, just to summarize that it's used that catalyst for good. That's really what you should be doing right now. This is a catalyst for change, whether it's in your personal life, the macro economy, the global economy or just, you know, locally. This is a catalyst for change, and it's on you to take charge for you know, that's something you and I have been talking about in recent weeks on This is why I think we have the entrepreneurial focus So much is quit pointing your finger quick plan Monday morning quarterback and complaining about things and go out there and do something about it. You know, even if it's just making a video chat with your friends. So you guys feel a little bit more connected or if it's going to start in a business that solving problems that all 330 million of us are having, or do you figure out a new way to create a ventilator face mask? All that great stuff, Whatever it is, go out and do it. Go find that genius. Go follow your genius. Awesome. So what, you learn? So I learned because I've been using the physical distancing, not social distancing one. I had not heard you say the shelter and place versus family time, so I wanted to make sure I reiterated that this is extended, highly recommended family time, and you're lucky to have
Otis: 43:09
That's so true. You know, I was talking with a professional coach buddy of mine a few weeks ago. A week or so ago, I think it was, you know, in the season shut down and castles and all those sort of things. I was like, Dude, man, just think about this. You get a two year old and ah, two month old. This is time. That 100% you would not have with those two kids if the season was going on. What a great opportunity,
Camden: 43:38
right? Oh, I was even thinking about kids. The one that's been coming to mind with me since we all talked about our family. Ah, virtual family dinner on Sunday. Oh, my gosh. The luckiest people in the world. They're ones who adopted puppies right when they got sent home. Because that dog is gonna be so well behaved. You could have spent so much time trading that dog. This is a perfect time to have a puppy. It
Otis: 44:01
is. That's what all the shelters were empty.
Camden: 44:03
Oh, yeah, but well, then we'll get on our soap box. one last time. Those people better keep your day and puppies don't be those people. Don't Don't be the people who buy your kids a Christmas puppy and bring it back in January. Okay, this is not a quarantine will be this low life puppy.
Otis: 44:16
And may I learned that Jimmy Garoppolo is a hero of San Francisco and, uh, you know what? Then They need to have a physical distancing parade for Jimmy Garoppolo and be thankful for how crappy he played in the Super Bowl. There. That's where I work.
Camden: 44:36
I would have anything for that. I'm just lasted. That's great. Nothing else. They're well, thank you all for listening to today's show special. Thanks to our sponsors. Mash military and athletics strength hemp oil. You could check out recent episodes of the Cam video to show on Spotify Apple podcast wherever you get your podcasts and check out a full archive at the camp in OTA show dot bus route dot com. The campaign OTA show is also on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Thanks again